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We missed Zawahiri by... that much.
Published on January 15, 2006 By singrdave In War on Terror
The War on Terror is being fought using false information!

The Bush Administration used faulty information to initiate an attack on allies' soil!

I always thought Pakistan was an ally in the War on Terror! But here we are, bombing people on Paki soil!

Here, read for yourself, from Yahoo News:

Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader was invited to a dinner marking a Muslim festival on the night of the devastating U.S. missile strike in a Pakistani border village, but he failed to show up, Pakistani intelligence officials said Sunday.


Ayman al-Zawahri sent aides instead, the officials said, and investigators are trying to establish if any of them were among the at least 17 people killed in the attack, which sparked a second day of anti-U.S. protests across the country Sunday.

Some 10,000 people rallied in Karachi, Pakistan's biggest city, chanting "Death to America" and "Stop bombing against innocent people." Hundreds also protested in Islamabad, Lahore, Multan and Peshawar, burning U.S. flags and demanding U.S. troops leave neighboring Afghanistan.


So we missed. And missed big. What gets me is that politicians from both sides of the aisle are lining up to defend the action:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and other American lawmakers on Sunday defended the airstrike.

"This war on terror has no boundaries," McCain, a former Navy combat pilot who challenged George W. Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, told CBS. "We have to go where these people are, and we have to take them out."

David Almacy, a White House spokesman, declined to comment directly on the airstrike, saying only, "Pakistan is a valued ally on the war on terror."

Pakistan says it does not allow American forces on its soil to attack or hunt militants. On Saturday, the government condemned the attack and lodged a diplomatic protest, saying it had killed innocent civilians.

In a sign of tensions over the attack on Damadola village, two top Pakistani officials -- one from the military, the other from the civilian administration -- said privately Sunday that the government was only informed of the strike after it happened.

However, U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh, a Democratic member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he had "every reason to believe" high-ranking officials in the Pakistani government knew in advance.


Where is the outrage? Where is the umbrage? Where is the taking to task of the persons involved with the faulty information and/or the botched airstrike? Where is the breast-beating from Dems over America's callous disregard for Pakistani innocents in the War on Terror?

Or could it be that we are fighting this war the best we can, off of the best intel we obtain? Wrong or right, it's actionable and useful. Zawahiri knows his days are numbered and that we are after him. Now if we could only get a bead on Osama...



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on Jan 15, 2006
Once again, I love my job. I love being on the front lines in the War on Terror.
on Jan 16, 2006
I remember prior to the start of the Iraq Battlefield, that we tried to get Saddam twice using those smart missles, and missed both times.  Some times you get the bear, some times the bear gets you.
on Jan 16, 2006
Notice how no one has said "where" the intel for the attack was coming from? There has been more than a little scuttlebutt that it came from the Pakistani Intel Corp.
on Jan 16, 2006
it's maybe proof of what you wanna deny. we all wanna see a real war on terror. while productive intel would be greatly preferred, faulty intel is gonna happen. its sources should be investigated and efforts made to prevent it.

what we can't and won't support is a cynical sidetracking of the real war on terror to advance a political or personal agenda and deliberate use of questionable intel to that end.
on Jan 16, 2006

it's maybe proof of what you wanna deny. we all wanna see a real war on terror. while productive intel would be greatly preferred, faulty intel is gonna happen. its sources should be investigated and efforts made to prevent it.

what we can't and won't support is a cynical sidetracking of the real war on terror to advance a political or personal agenda and deliberate use of questionable intel to that end.


Did you take note that NO ONE used the word proof? At least not until you did. Aren't you one of the people who said we shouldn't get side-tracked from the "real" war on terror? Just what would you call the number 2 man of Al Queda? And just an fyi...you don't always have the required time to check throughly as we'd like. Intel was given with a very small window to act on it.
on Jan 16, 2006
Ummm...does anyone really think Pakistan is an ally?
on Jan 17, 2006
NO ONE used the word proof? At least not until you did


if you'll lemme know which language is your native tongue, i'll try to provide a translation from english just for you.
on Jan 17, 2006
does anyone really think Pakistan is an ally?


yeah.

northwest pakistan seems to be a close ally of the taliban and al quaeda. the rest of the country and its leader do their best to maintain a close relationship with large quantities of our currency.
on Jan 17, 2006
Where is the outrage? Botched air-raids are only reserved for the like of Clinton or Carter.
on Jan 17, 2006
NO ONE used the word proof? At least not until you did


if you'll lemme know which language is your native tongue, i'll try to provide a translation from english just for you.


Okay smart guy go find it and show me! You won't be able to, at least not until reply #4 WHICH IS YOURS! So my point stands, no one used the word "proof" until "YOU" did.
on Jan 17, 2006
PESHAWAR, Pakistan - At least four foreign terrorists died in the U.S. airstrike purportedly aimed at al-Qaida's No. 2 leader, the provincial government said Tuesday.
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A statement by the administration of Bajur, the Pakistan's tribal region bordering
Afghanistan, also said that 10 to 12 foreign extremists had been invited to dinner at the village hit in Friday's attack.
on Jan 17, 2006
The attack was based on the best information at the time and was judged to be timely and actionable. Turns out Zawahiri sent several underlings instead of attending the meeting himself. Just because we missed doesn't mean that it wasn't important.

There has been a thread initiated by Bahu saying that we invaded the sovereignty of Pakistan by shooting those missiles into the country. To that I say if that country is going to harbor fugitives from justice, then they are fair game. Pakistan is run by a dictator who is desperately trying to hang onto his country. The Paki populace is virulently anti-Bush and anti-West. Musharraf is trying to please both his constitutents and teh Bush Administration, which has been breathing down his neck for full access to the Paki frontierland bordering Afgahnistan.

With appeasement, Musharraf's government is giving neither side what they want. The US wants unfettered access, and can't get it. So we have to send in cruise missiles from afar. But the information sharing that the Paki government is providing only inflames anti-American rhetoric in Islamabad and the countryside.

My point in initiating this thread is that if we're going to prosecute the War on Terror, we need to be willing to do whatever it takes, wherever it is, to bring the perpetrators to justice. Whether that justice is in this world or the world to come. Pakistan is an unwilling ally, and we need to either step it up with them militarily or just throw up our hands and say "War's over, boys."

To sum up, the missiles were necessary to prosecute the War on Terror.
Too bad they missed.
on Jan 17, 2006
no one used the word "proof" until "YOU" did.


i guess i gotta splain this to you really slowly...

if you'll actually read what i said instead of what you THINK i *said*--perhaps about 20 times--you may eventually catch on. i was responding to singrdave's observation regarding the overall lack of anger over this particular attack in pakistan and suggesting that lack of anger proved the error of those claiming we who are opposed to the war in iraq are also opposed to fighting a war on terror.

al-zawahiri--and his cohorts who are still operating freely--are exactly who we shoulda been fighting alla time.

in response to his sarcasm about this being a case of bad intel, i was explaining that wasn't a problem either--as long as the bad intel isn't knowingly used to mislead the country so as to generate support for a different agenda as this administration did in 2002/2003.

i have no idea what you thought i was trying to say. whatever it is, you were totally outta the park.
on Jan 17, 2006
as long as the bad intel isn't knowingly used to mislead the country so as to generate support for a different agenda as this administration did in 2002/2003.


Is that bad intel going to be used to win the hearts and minds of the Pakistani people? Are we going to have to try and spin this for support of American presence in Pakistan?
on Jan 17, 2006
as long as the bad intel isn't knowingly used to mislead the country so as to generate support for a different agenda as this administration did in 2002/2003.


Are you guys still on this? There is absolutely no evidence anyone "knowingly" misled anyone.
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