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Just a simple question gets a political doublespeak response.
Published on June 9, 2006 By singrdave In US Domestic
I believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. And that only a constitutional amendment defining marriage is the only way to protect marriage from those who would corrupt it. Since obviously the will of the people is being overridden by the judicial system in each individual state.

Last week, I was inspired to write to my Senators, Sens. Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) and Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) regarding the so-called marriage protection amendment. This legislation was to come before the Senate on 6 June, and my email I asked them both (as, to be honest, it was a cut-and-paste job) to please vote to support the amendment's passage in any way possible. I encouraged them to consider the positive effects that this amendment would have on not only families but society at large. I wish I had kept a copy of the email, as it was posted to their website rather than emailed from my personal account. But just trust me that this was the thrust of my messages to them. I thought it as well-formed, well-thought-out, and considered it as formal and important as I could.

Then, on 6 June, the Senate had a vote: not on the amendment itself but on cloture (The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.) Both Sarbanes and Mikulski voted NAY on cloture, thus killing the bill before it ever was voted upon. But, in effect, they voted to stop the bill without voting up or down on the actual bill.

Then, to add insult to injury, Sarbanes' office wrote me this letter back! Yes, I got a letter back from Sarbanes' office. Mikulski never even bothered to acknowledge my letter...



Dear (singrdave):

Thank you for contacting my office regarding the proposed constitutional amendment defining marriage. I appreciate having the benefit of your views on this issue.

As you may know, S. J. Res. 1 was introduced in the United States Senate on January 24, 2005 and referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary. Although I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee, I will be sure to keep your views in mind in the event that this or related legislation comes before the full Senate for consideration.

During the 108th Congress a similar amendment, S. J. Res. 40, was introduced in the United States Senate. A cloture vote regarding S. J. Res. 40 occurred in the Senate on July 14, 2004. Based on these concerns, I voted against the motion to prematurely conclude debate. The motion required 60 votes to cut off debate and failed by receiving only 48. I will be sure to keep your views in mind in the event that this or related legislation comes before the full Senate for consideration.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views on this issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me about other matters of importance to you in the future.

With best regards,
Paul Sarbanes
United States Senator


So what he was saying is that if the measure actually gets voted upon, he will consider my views on it. But since his hands are tied and it got caught up in the cloture (that he authorized through his NAY vote!) he can't express his opinion on the proposed amendment. Besides, he's talking about legislation that reached the cloture motion back in 2004, not the one facing the Senate on 6 June 2006. Man, I cannot keep this straight. Is he even referring to the same piece of legislation?!?!

The feeling I came away with (because I can't make heads or tails of this) is that he patted me on the head and went about his own agenda.

Please help me understand what just happened here.


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on Jun 09, 2006
Beacause I kinda feel pandered to and sent on my way. Maybe it was because I am still learning how Congress actualy works.
on Jun 09, 2006

What amazes me is your Senators.  Maryland is liberal, but I do not put them in the category of Taxachussetes or Taxifornia.  Yet your senators rival those 2 states in the liberal extremism.  At least ours are better - not a lot, but better.

on Jun 09, 2006
Eh, what I am reading is "Based on these concerns, I voted against the motion to prematurely conclude debate." Doesn't that mean he was voting against prematurely killing the effort? To me it looks like he is pointing to a similar instance (S. J. Res. 40) of when he supported what you were hoping to accomplish.

Maybe I am reading it wrong, but that is what it seems to be saying to me. Isn't the cloture vote the vote to stop debate? I just got up, maybe I am cornfused. Anyway, I find it difficult to believe you'd expect a New England (D) to ever vote for a protection of marriage amendment. Kudos to you for trying, though.
on Jun 09, 2006
Oh, wait, brain fart. Does he mean 'close debate' e.g. to go directly to a vote? In that case you'd see him wanting more debate as a stall tactic? To me, since it failed anyway, maybe more debate would have been the way to go. Either way, he's a Dem, and not even the Republicans are comfortable with this passing, if you ask me. I don't see much hope of Dems supporting it.
on Jun 09, 2006
"Based on these concerns, I voted against the motion to prematurely conclude debate." Doesn't that mean he was voting against prematurely killing the effort? To me it looks like he is pointing to a similar instance (S. J. Res. 40) of when he supported what you were hoping to accomplish.

That's what got me thinking that he wasn't talking about the same piece of legislation. From the Senate voting record, record listed on washingtonpost.com, the vote for "Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S. J. Res. 1; Marriage Protection Amendment" on 7 June 2006 saw both Mikulski and Sarbanes voting NAY, along party lines, meaning the debate was over and the measure was killed.

To me it looks like he is pointing to a similar instance (S. J. Res. 40) of when he supported what you were hoping to accomplish.

And me.

I find it difficult to believe you'd expect a New England (D) to ever vote for a protection of marriage amendment. Kudos to you for trying, though.

I knew it was a Quixotic effort, at best. Conversely, I wouldn't have to petition my Senator on this topic if I was living in Utah, Idaho, Texas...
on Jun 09, 2006
Either way, he's a Dem, and not even the Republicans are comfortable with this passing, if you ask me. I don't see much hope of Dems supporting it.

Well, sure, but I live in a notoriously blue state. I'm not in a constituency where my alignment feels represented.

I'm writing back... stay tuned.
on Jun 09, 2006
My response to Sarbanes' office:

Dear Sen. Sarbanes,
Thank you for your recent response to my email about your then-upcoming vote on the marriage amendment. I know that you are very busy, especially with the Senate in session, and I appreciate the time and effort it took to respond personally to my email.

I have to admit, however, that your response puzzled me. I was referring to the 6-7 June 2006 vote regarding the introduction of a marriage amendment bill to the Senate. In doing some research (which is always a good thing) I discovered the actual vote to which I wanted some support from my senators: 109th Congress / Senate / 2nd session / Vote 163, Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S. J. Res. 1; Marriage Protection Amendment.

As reported in the Washington Post, you voted NAY on the cloture motion, along with Sen. Mikulski and pretty much everyone from your party.

On the same day, your email reassured me that S. J. Res. 1 had been "referred to the Senate Committee on the Judiciary. Although I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee, I will be sure to keep your views in mind in the event that this or related legislation comes before the full Senate for consideration."

Umm, I'm not a politician nor a Congressional expert, but the voting on the matter seemed to be past the Judiciary Committee. It appears to have been sent to the whole Senate for a motion on cloture. And you voted against it, effectively killing the issue without having to actually take an official side on the amendment.

Again, I know that you are busy, but since it seems as though we are talking about different pieces of legislation, and that you cited another bill that you happened to support in the past as proof that your efforts in this arena are aligned with mine, I would appreciate some clarification on the matter. Because, honestly, I do not feel that I got a straight answer from you.

Thanks again for your time and effort, and I really do appreciate the response I got from your office.

Very sincerely,
(singrdave)


Let's see if I get a response this time, too... it's our representative government in action!
on Jun 14, 2006
Let's see if I get a response this time, too... it's our representative government in action!

Well, wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles... I got a definitive response from the office of Sen Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)!

Dear (singrdave):

Thank you for contacting my office regarding the proposed constitutional amendment defining marriage. I appreciate having the benefit of your views on this issue.

As you may know, S. J. Res. 1 was introduced in the United States Senate on January 24, 2005. A cloture vote regarding the Motion to Proceed to the consideration of this amendment occurred in the Senate on June 7, 2006. Because I had serious concerns about this proposed constitutional amendment, I voted against the motion to prematurely conclude debate. The motion required 60 votes to cut off debate and failed by receiving only 49. I will be sure to keep your views in mind in the event that this or related legislation comes before the full Senate for consideration.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views on this issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me about other matters of importance to you in the future.


In the future please visit my web site at http://sarbanes.senate.gov rather than clicking reply.

With best regards,
Paul Sarbanes
United States Senator
on Jun 14, 2006
This reply sounds remarkably similar to his previous letter...
on Jun 14, 2006
as if the elf of indecision had hijacked Bush's typewriter and is answering in his stead

The elf of indecision is probably some intern who got the short straw for the week.
on Jun 15, 2006
God forbid they actually read or listen to what we mere mortals have to say.

Yep, I am realizing that they don't actually read mail from their own constituents.

My intro to the follow-up email:
Dear Sen. Sarbanes,
Thank you for your recent response to my email about your then-upcoming vote on the marriage amendment. I know that you are very busy, especially with the Senate in session, and I appreciate the time and effort it took to respond personally to my email.

... was unintentionally ironic.
on Jun 15, 2006
Couple of points...

thus killing the bill before it ever was voted upon

Voting against cloture does not kill a bill, technically. It continues debate. The bill is still alive until it is voted down.

New England (D) to ever vote for a protection of marriage amendment


Maryland is not part of New England. Never has been, never will be.

As for why your getting the same letter--it's a system, like LW said. No one on staff has time to individually respond to letters--everyone wish they did, but no one does. Some offices get thousands of letters a day--Senators would be able to do nothing else but read mail. Therefore, certain words and phrases in a letter will trigger certain language to respond to it. A more orgnanized office would have caught that your letter was a follow on and you would have gotten a different response.

If you really want to get heard--call the office and TALK to someone on staff.
on Jun 15, 2006
The entire house motto is 'SHINE EM ON,THEY WILL NEVER know the difference"
on Jun 15, 2006
The feeling I came away with (because I can't make heads or tails of this) is that he patted me on the head and went about his own agenda.


Welcome to My World

Seriously, you understand correctly, and that is precisely what happened to you, and has happened to me on every issue I ever bother to communicate to the (Dis)Honorable Senators from Maryland about. They completely ignore my requests, go on with their own agenda and screw over the people they are supposed to be representing, in the name of serving the people.

It's enough to make one puke, and it's been going in Maryland for as long as Democrats have ruled the politics in the state. Thankfully, there's a chance, slim though it may be, that the soon to be retired and former senior Senator from the State, Sarbanes, will be replaced with a member of the GOP, but don't count on it. Dead men do tell tales, or at least vote, if needed in Maryland politics, and way too many idiots in the state are plenty prepared to vote for the Ass-hat candidate of the party of the Donkey just because he has a (D) after his name on the ballot.
on Jun 15, 2006
If you really want to get heard--call the office and TALK to someone on staff.


Won't make a bit of a difference, the answers will be the same as the Senator and his staff have their agenda and they aren't gonna change off it to save their butts, especially not when Sarbanes' staff is well aware their man is retiring and can't be harmed politically.
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