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Religious people are stupid, and smart people aren't religious, apparently...
Published on May 1, 2006 By singrdave In Religion
I found a very incendiary article yesterday on Wikipedia regarding the correlation between religiosity and intelligence. It copiously documents how the more religious you are, the stupider you are. And the smarter you are, the less likely it is that you are have religious feeling...

From Wikipedia:
In 1986, the magazine Sceptic summarized studies on religiosity and intelligence:

All but four of the forty-three polls listed support the conclusion that native intelligence varies inversely with degree of religious faith; i.e., that, other factors being equal, the more intelligent a person is, the less religious he is.

Conclusions -- In this essay:

1. sixteen studies of the correlation between individual measures of student intelligence and religiosity, all but three of which reported an inverse correlation.
2. five studies reporting that student bodies with high average IQ and/or SAT scores are far less religious than lower-scoring student bodies;
3. three studies reporting that geniuses (IQ 3+ standard deviations above average) are much less religious than the general public, and one dubious study;
4. seven studies reporting that highly successful persons are much less religious in belief than are others; and
5. eight old and four new Gallup polls revealing that college alumni (average IQ about one standard deviation above average) are much less religious in belief than are grade-school pollees.

RECENT STUDIES:
In Explorations: An undergraduate research journal, Regan Clarke reports religious belief and behavior were negatively correlated with SAT scores in the USA. In 2000, noted skeptic Michael Shermer found a negative correlation between education and religosity in the United States, though Rice University indicates this may not apply to the social sciences.

Several studies on Americans focus on the beliefs of high-IQ individuals. In one study, 90% of the general population surveyed professed a distinct belief in a personal god and afterlife, while only 40% of the scientists with a BS surveyed did so, and only 10% of those considered "eminent.". Another study found that mathematicians were just over 40%, biologists just under 30%, and physicists were barely over 20% likely to believe in God.

A 1998 survey by Larson and Witham of the 517 members of the United States National Academy of Sciences showed that 72.2% of the members expressed "personal disbelief" in a personal God while 20.8% expressed "doubt or agnosticism" and only 7.0% expressed "personal belief". This was a follow-up to their own earlier 1996 study which itself was a follow-up to a 1916 study by James Leuba.


Some would say, no surprise there. But I would say, let me go out and get me some larnin', so's I can break the curve!

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on May 05, 2006
Suddenly popping into my head, a jingle from an ad on British TV - probably decades ago:
"It's amazin' what raisins can do
Full of goodness, and it's all for you..."

Ah, just found it on-line: Link
on May 05, 2006
It perhaps is only my warped sense of humor, but the original article on Wikipedia has a misspelling. The magazine is "SKeptic" with a "k" not "SCeptic" with a "c." Singrdave cited it faithfully, pardon the pun, it was the Wiki author that made the mistake.

Having said that,there are LOTS of studies that support the finding. You can dispute the validity of IQ tests if you want, but the finding is supported by numbers of tests. I couldn't find any evidence to the contrary; if you can link to a different finding, I would like to see it.

Here are a number of test reports: Link
The site is entitled "Godless Science" so one may presume a bias. If anyone finds statistics, not anecdotal evidence, I would be most interested in the findings.
on May 05, 2006
I don't question the findings of the IQ tests, I fully accept that smart people often try and present a persona that makes them appear more intelligent. The study shows, in my opinion, that we have created an environment where people feel it is more personally beneficial to hide their religious faith. Our fetish of "science" makes us doubt anyone that appears to be less than coldly analytical.

We've just replaced preists with scientists and lawyers. Of course people are going to emulate whatever is deemed worthy. The fact that these studies don't take that into account call their own scientific status into question, imho.
on May 05, 2006
I fully accept that smart people often try and present a persona that makes them appear more intelligent. The study shows, in my opinion, that we have created an environment where people feel it is more personally beneficial to hide their religious faith. Our fetish of "science" makes us doubt anyone that appears to be less than coldly analytical.


What bothers me is when religion is portrayed as "irrational belief in the supernatural" and worthy of mocking and ridicule, even to the point of taking polls and surveys to "prove" that non-religious types are smarter (and better-looking, more fun at parties, etc.).

If you athiests are so superior, why do you have to point it out? Unless you're trying to salve your smug, self-righteous, but downright insecure and fragile egos?
on May 05, 2006
The magazine is "SKeptic" with a "k" not "SCeptic" with a "c." Singrdave cited it faithfully, pardon the pun, it was the Wiki author that made the mistake.

I thought it was "Sceptic" with a C, since that is the British spelling. I have never read the magazine in question nor heard of it. But thanks for pointing that out, LK.

I sit corrected.
on May 05, 2006
The magazine is "SKeptic" with a "k" not "SCeptic" with a "c." Singrdave cited it faithfully, pardon the pun, it was the Wiki author that made the mistake.

I thought it was "Sceptic" with a C, since that is the British spelling. I have never read the magazine in question nor heard of it. But thanks for pointing that out, LK.

I sit corrected.
on May 05, 2006
The magazine is "SKeptic" with a "k" not "SCeptic" with a "c." Singrdave cited it faithfully, pardon the pun, it was the Wiki author that made the mistake.

I thought it was "Sceptic" with a C, since that is the British spelling. I have never read the magazine in question nor heard of it. But thanks for pointing that out, LK.

I sit corrected.
on May 05, 2006
I am just a simple atheist. I don't know how much religion has to do with intelligence, don't care. However I do know how much religion has to do with honesty. Your more likely to be dishonest if your religious. You have a license.

Fox
on May 05, 2006
smart people often try and present a persona that makes them appear more intelligent.


Why would they need to?

I mean why would we need to?
on May 05, 2006
"Why would they need to?"


That's something I wish you'd take a good long walk and ponder...
on May 05, 2006
Obviously the intelligence of the believer has nothing to do with the truth of the belief.

And if a thing is true, it's absolutely okay for people to believe in it even if they don't fully understand it and couldn't explain it intelligently.
on May 05, 2006
That's something I wish you'd take a good long walk and ponder


Avoiding the question?
on May 05, 2006
#27 by foxjazz (Anonymous user)
Friday, May 05, 2006


am just a simple atheist. I don't know how much religion has to do with intelligence, don't care. However I do know how much religion has to do with honesty. Your more likely to be dishonest if your religious. You have a license.

Fox


do you have a single fact to back this BOOL DOOKEY statement up?
on May 05, 2006
Seems to me everyone who writes articles which contain documented facts and links to back up their opinion try and present a persona that makes them appear more intelligent. Even though the facts may be indisputable, some other people still argue, trying to make themselves seem more intelligent than the one who wrote the article. It's called "pontificating." And no one here is better at it than Baker. There's also an element of immature one-upmanship.
on May 06, 2006
Your more likely to be dishonest if your religious. You have a license.


Actually, I'd say the opposite is true. TRULY religious people are MORE likely to be honest, as they feel there's someone to whom they will have to give account. An atheist doesn't have such concerns.

Personally, I believe most atheism is simply a rationalization to appease a guilty conscience!
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