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The War on Terror allows people the freedom to persecute
Published on March 22, 2006 By singrdave In War on Terror
Apparently allowing Muslims the right to self-determination is having unexpected consequences. After the liberation of Afghanistan they have adopted Shari'a law, which claims that converting to Christianity is punishable by death, as an infidel who has caused harm to Islam.

From the Times of London Online:
PRESIDENT BUSH led international condemnation of Afghanistan yesterday over the case of a Muslim who converted to Christianity and now faces the death penalty under the country's Islamic laws.

He criticised the Afghan authorities, saying that liberated countries needed to respect democratic rights. "I am deeply troubled when I hear that a person who may have converted away from Islam may be held accountable," Mr Bush said.

His comments came after the arrest of Abdul Rahman this month. Under the 2004 Afghan Constitution, Mr Rahman could face the death penalty for an attack on Islam.

But yesterday it appeared that the case could be dismissed on a technicality if Mr Rahman were found mentally unfit to stand trial.

In Kabul the authorities appeared surprised by the outcry but insisted that the judicial process had to be respected.

But a human rights expert in the city said that the defendant's mental state could provide the authorities with an excuse to drop the case, but warned that "something like this will come up again".

"They don't want to upset their big donors, but this case highlights the gulf between Sharia law and statutory law."
(Bold added for emphasis.)

So this guy is going to claim that his conversion to Christianity is a small part of his devastating mental illness. This is how he hopes to escape the death penalty, which would probably be by stoning.

Whatever happened to "Blessed are they who are persecuted for righteousness' sake"?

That's apparently the choice being offered to the repatriated Afghan, Abdul Rhaman, who moved back to Afghanistan from Germany after, you know, we made it a "free country" and all.

He's facing conviction and execution for the crime of converting to Christianity. It's the law, you know, and as moronic commenters to other posts on this blog have been pointing out, to obey and enforce the law is always of paramount concern. As an Afghan Christian, he's "ILLEGAL."

He does have a chance at being spared, though, by being declared insane. So, either he has to die, or suffer the indignity of being a mental case.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam be sentenced to death. The state-sponsored Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission has called for Rahman to be punished, arguing he clearly violated Islamic law.

The case has received widespread attention in Afghanistan where many people are demanding Rahman be severely punished.

"For 30 years, we have fought religious wars in this country and there is no way we are going to allow an Afghan to insult us by becoming Christian," said Mohammed Jan, 38, who lives opposite Rahman's father, Abdul Manan, in Kabul. "This has brought so much shame."


I hasten to add that the imperative is to protect ourselves, America, and indeed, rational and freedom-loving people worldwide from clearly conveyed threats. I mean, that's an imperative, to outweigh all other considerations, no matter how grave. It will be fine with me to let those dirt-scratching primitives deal with one-another as the misogynist, mystical, pre-conceptual organisms they are. I don't know if they are prepared to keep to their primitive ways, and I don't know if the seeds for any sort of eventual Enlightenment have yet been sown.

To execute a man because of his religious beliefs, via the organized power of the state, with the citizenry cheering you on...? And they're breeding and reproducing misogynist, mystical, pre-conscious offspring by the millions...?

Well, those who speak the language and desire Enlightenment for the Muslim world had better get on the ball, because with this wide of a gulf between primitivity and modernity, with some of these regimes getting awfully close to nuclear and/or biological weapons technology, this just might not end well for them; and, as I said: there is the imperative.

I'll leave it at that, the implications being clear.

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on Mar 22, 2006
Can Afghanistan be trusted to be free?
on Mar 22, 2006
what other choice is there? Granted, we don't have to continue having relations with them, but we're the ones getting backhanded for supposedly setting up "puppet" governments. This just proves how wrong those people who claim that are.

Shari'a law isn't all that 'muslim', really. About as much as Roman Catholic imposition on government in the Middle Ages reflected Christianity. It is Islamic in pretense, but not practice.

What can you really do about it. I don't support aid or dealings with the Hamas government in Palestine, and I don't want us to spend another dime or stay another week in a nation that would kill someone for converting. IN te end, though, the big loss for both sides would be to override their constitution by force.
on Mar 22, 2006
I don't support aid or dealings with the Hamas government in Palestine

And yet they were freely elected in a somewhat fair process...
on Mar 23, 2006
And yet they were freely elected in a somewhat fair process...


i dont understand the people at palestine... why are they so dumb? Isreal has a population of roughly more then a million palestinians and they also have a palistinian political party within Isreal... what are they fighting for? im so confused....
on Mar 23, 2006
I just heard alarming figures on a radio show I listen to from Israel. It's called Prophecy Today with Jimmy DeYoung. Anyway they were talking about how there are 3.5 babies born in Europe to Muslim women but only 1.4 to the European Woman that are not Islamic. Islam is growing expedientially there as everywhere and it's alarming to say the least.

They cited one town in particular in England that a few years ago a Muslim was rarely seen. Today they are taking this same town over practically. They are demanding their rights in the school systems as they are making a big presence there. They do not assimilate well into these areas but instead push for their wills be done. They said in 50 years Europe will be about 50% Muslim and with that of course comes the Islamic Religion.

I'm not surprised. As a big reader/beliver in end times prophecy....I see this all in scripture anyhow. It goes back to the Isaac and Ishmael thing. The prophecy on Ishmael? "His hand will be against every man and he will dwell among his brothers." (the Jews)

on Mar 23, 2006
As Baker said, we really dont have much choice.
on Mar 23, 2006
"And yet they were freely elected in a somewhat fair process..."


So was Hitler... "somewhat". If Charles Manson escaped from prison and was elected the leader of a small island nation, would we be forced to accept him just because a bunch of deluded people voted for him? Hamas is made up of people who promote terrorism, and is led by people who have ordered terrorist attacks.

Democracy is the freedom to choose your leaders, not freedom from accountability for what leaders you choose.
on Mar 23, 2006
So was Hitler... "somewhat".

I made that mistake too. He was an appointee by the Reichstag; he lost the only election in which he ever stood as a candidate, with only 35% of the vote.
on Mar 23, 2006
It works both ways: my mother said I was insane for not attending Mass anymore.
on Mar 23, 2006
"I made that mistake too. He was an appointee by the Reichstag; he lost the only election in which he ever stood as a candidate, with only 35% of the vote."


30 and 37% in the two elections, but in some nations when you don't have a clear majority mandate they allow for coalition governments to preserve the representitive nature. The Reichstag was the representitive parliament in Germany. Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg to appease the need for coalition, and then he died and the Reichstag did away with the Presidency altogether leaving the Chancellor in charge.

So his taking office was "somewhat fair process", i.e. a legitimate process of the German government.
on Mar 23, 2006
So his taking office was "somewhat fair process"

I thought you were agreeing with the "elected" part. Sorry.
on Mar 23, 2006
Can't have it both ways, though.

Do we allow Afghanistan self-determination when Afghans are clearly "determined" to go in a way against what we, their liberators and enablers, don't like?

Or do we impose our own sensibilities on them, as well?
on Mar 23, 2006
From another blog:
Finally someone makes a bold statement to Afghanistan for the life of Abdul Rahman, a man facing the death penality there for converting to Christianity.

From the NY Times

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke this morning with President Hamid Karzai and discussed the affair "in the strongest possible terms," said the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack.
"She called specifically on this topic," Mr. McCormack said. "And she urged President Karzai’s government to seek a favorable resolution to this case the earliest possible moment." Mr. McCormack said Ms. Rice also told Afghanistan's Foreign Minister, Abdullah Abdullah, in a 15-minute meeting in Washington today that she was deeply troubled by the case, and that the prosecution was "contrary to universal democratic" values, which include freedom of religion. Ms. Rice said that the United States fought for those values in Afghanistan, and that the case was contrary to the Afghan constitution, Mr. McCormack said.

The same message came today from the White House, where President Bush’s chief spokesman, Scott McClellan, said the Afghan case "clearly violates the universal freedoms that democracies around the world hold dear. And we are watching it very closely."

On Wednesday, President Bush issued a statement that the United States expected Afghan officials to "honor the universal principle of freedom" in the case. Germany, Italy and other countries that have deployed troops in Afghanistan have also issued statements of concern.

Thank goodness somebody finally spoke up! And they may come up with a way to put a stop to this. But what this exposes is the root to a bigger problem. And the glaring question arises... Is democracy compatible with Islamic law? John McIntyre sums it up nicely:

At some point this is an issue that cannot continue to be papered over with diplomatic niceties. There are certain minimum standards of acceptable conduct for nations that expect be allies of the United States in 2006. The sooner we start telling our "friends" that these types of laws are simply unacceptable and will not be tolerated any more than we would tolerate laws that allowed slavery, the better.
on Mar 23, 2006
Isreal has a population of roughly more then a million palestinians and they also have a palistinian political party within Isreal... what are they fighting for? im so confused....


My question is why does the EU and the US fund them? If you don't have to work to survive why not just go blow stuff up? They destroyed the greenhouses they inherited. Clearly have little or no desire to provide for themselves.

Highbass I am with ya. But I am even more confused why we are supporting them to fight? Blind leading the blind?
on Mar 23, 2006
I was listening to Jim Quinn this morning, host of a conservative talk show out of Pittsburgh.
He commented on the Afghan's opinion of the man; they thought he might be insane because "he doesn't talk like everyone else".
Quinn said that that was because HE was the only one in the room not yelling "Death to the Infidel!" and trying to blow himself up. I laughed at that.

I mean, let's be serious. Come on now; why ON EARTH would ANYONE ever want to convert to a religion that has led its faithful through centuries of social and technological progress and change, when you could stay with a religion that has kept its faithful in the Dark Ages? Except, of course, when it comes to killing lots of people----then you can get as high-tech as you want. What can top that?
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